LIVE Report Sodomy II Trial | 4.50pm: Ram says there are examples of degradation of other samples.
(There were 12 swabs taken during the HKL doctor's examination of Saiful).
"Some are pristine some are not," says the lawyer.
"… The Court of Appeal judges had erred where the High Court judge had got it right."
4.40pm: Ram says in every mixture in (sexual acts) sperm cells must be separated from the non-sperm cells.
"But the DNA of ‘Male Y’ is found to be pristine. The point from Mc Donalds B7, B8 and B9 samples are pristine.
"It cannot be pristine. I go further to say they are not the same samples. If they are the same samples, there will be a lot of degradation," he adds.
4.20pm: Ram says if there was a dispute, the prosecution can call its expert witness to rebut.
"The fact is that the samples are found to be pristine."
The defence lawyer says the samples were retrieved after 96 hours, and should show degradation.
Justice Arifin asks if there are samples to show degradation.
"If it is degraded it would become a mess i.e. no reading."
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